Tamiya Mustang P-51D "grim reaper"

Nige201980 · Post by **Nige201980** » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:23 pm

Willem wrote:
Mike00 wrote: OH NO!!
I used to sell paint for living. Aluminum is a different animal than other metals. The Klear acrylic or even an oil base may not stick to aluminum. It probably need a waterbourne bonding primer or an etch primer. The problem is I don't know of any that are clear. If the dull coat does not work try Dupli-Color Adhesion Promoter. This is an adhesion primer for automotive surfaces. I use it as a clear primer for my models and it has worked on photo etched parts as well, brass and aluminum accept paint in roughly the same way. Just remember it's not the end of the world, it's just an inconvenience. I hope it turns out OK and and hope I was able to help.
Mike's advice sounds good mate. The other alternative may be decaling the stripes, it's already a gloss surface. Any in the kit? There may be an aftermarket set about or could be a case of custom printing.

Either way, good luck Bud, you'll sort it.

Ok. Just read back through- You've got the under fuselage stripes, if they work you just need the wings.

I've got some for the wings the only problem is they are tamiya's I to be honest I DONT trust them lol

Willem · Post by **Willem** » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:15 pm

Yeah, I know that feeling.

Coen · Post by **Coen** » Thu Jul 03, 2014 1:02 pm

AWWW CRAP!
I saw the shots and it looked like it was the foil coming up!!!

I damn near died.
The paint you can work around. There has to be a way for paint on foil... I have books on this. I'll look it up.

Nige201980 · Post by **Nige201980** » Thu Jul 03, 2014 1:29 pm

Coen wrote:AWWW CRAP!
I saw the shots and it looked like it was the foil coming up!!!
I damn near died.
The paint you can work around. There has to be a way for paint on foil... I have books on this. I'll look it up.

Cheers mate.

chief5437 · Post by **chief5437** » Thu Jul 03, 2014 1:40 pm

Holy sh!t Nige! Gutted for you! Hope you get a solution to this. Great work though, looks stunning

Nige201980 · Post by **Nige201980** » Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:38 pm

Right guys after trying matt varnish which didn't work I tried just straight paint and to be carful and here are the results.
To make sure the foil didn't pull of I got rid of the stickyness by tapeing it to my hand and removing it a few times.

I was going to use post-it-notes but the were too low tack.

This is it half masked

And here we are with the masks off

Still pulled in a few places

And from the other side.

So that's where I'm at I'm going to leave it as is for the mo as I'm working in Portsmouth next week so I'll take another look at it when I get back if I think I can touch it up I'll leave it if not I'll remove it again and try something else.

Again thanks for the encouragement guys.

chief5437 · Post by **chief5437** » Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:57 pm

You must have the patience of a saint, Nige! If that happened to me, I'd have just blamed it on the ground crew using cheap paint, lol!

Good luck with it mate.

rodrant · Post by **rodrant** » Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:23 am

Hard work here, ...

and I thought my decals were hard to place , great patience Nige!!

Wish you luck with your next steps it is a nice build and we all are learning from tis experience of yours !

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Fri Jul 04, 2014 9:35 am

Wow, it's fighting back! Great effort mate, you'll win through in the end. And, it still looks the nuts!

alextheblue · Post by **alextheblue** » Fri Jul 04, 2014 11:37 am

Now, I'm not a squeamish bloke, but I winced and had to look away at the first set of photos - all your hard work!

It's hard to tell from the pictures, but I'm really hoping that the paint takes and it's a matter of touching it up, you deserve a break after all the time and effort you've put in - either way, it looks like an absolute winner to me just as it is!!

Nige201980 · Post by **Nige201980** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:25 pm

Right guys I need your help the paint hasn't taken again I want to give it one more try then it will I'll try the decals the invasion stripes are tamiyas so I'm not sure how good they will be.

I thinking of trying humbrol enamel as it's slower drying and drys harder it SHOULD stop rubbing of and I was wondering what you guys thought I've got next week to get the stripes done then I'm on holiday and will then only have a month to sort so any help or advise would be great.

Thanks
Nige

Willem · Post by **Willem** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:35 pm

I don't know about enamels- could be hard to remove if it goes wrong. What about something like an Alclad primer?

Just an idea mate.

Good luck.

Nige201980 · Post by **Nige201980** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:40 pm

Willem wrote:I don't know about enamels- could be hard to remove if it goes wrong. What about something like an Alclad primer?

Just an idea mate.

Good luck.

Thanks for the idea mate but I'm not that happy about using Alclad with little ones around a know enamel is not that good but it's a safer bet that Alclad.

Coen · Post by **Coen** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 1:01 pm

I sent you some reading material Nigel, a lot of it may be redundant to you now, but there may be something there.

Art17847 · Post by **Art17847** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 1:54 pm

I'm not a paint expert but spent time working in the automotive industry and i know they used self eching primers to paint aluminum. I think you can find some in auto parts stores in rattle cans but im not sure its safe to spray indoors...keep at it this is an amazing build so far.....you will sort it out just a small set back

Nige201980 · Post by **Nige201980** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:14 pm

Cheers guys for the answers

Hopefully I've sorted it the car needed a new down pipe and cat convertor (£200) and while at the garage i saw this.

I've tested it on some scrap card with foil on and it seams to be ok I'll up date the thread when I try paint on it.

FishBowlMan · Post by **FishBowlMan** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:29 pm

Fingers crossed, mate. You deserve a break on this considering the time and effort that you've put in.

Coen · Post by **Coen** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:28 am

Fingers crossed buddy.
Too bad about the £200

Nige201980 · Post by **Nige201980** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:08 pm

It worked lol

There was some touching up but it worked

So I got the stripes and anti-glare all squared away.

So now I can get on with the rest of the build so next will be a gloss coat. So onwards and upwards

UKguyInUSA · Post by **UKguyInUSA** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:38 pm

Ohhh, man! I'm so happy that you found a solution for this build, because of all the time you had put into her. If I could say the "F" word to describe how gorgeous she's looking, I would! You must be a happy man, Nige! I know I'm happy now knowing that we can see this build progress!

MarkVerploeg · Post by **MarkVerploeg** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:39 pm

It is looking amazing Nigel
Good thing the painting problem is solved
Looking forward to the rest of this build

Nige201980 · Post by **Nige201980** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:53 pm

Cheers guys

Paul · Post by **Paul** » Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:23 am

Well done Nige great work buddy, nice to see you solved the problem

Coen · Post by **Coen** » Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:32 am

WINNER!!!!
That's the nutz buddy! Well done. Nicely solved.

wappynutter · Post by **wappynutter** » Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:48 am

Well done Nige.... Glad you overcome the paint+foil problem mate...

Looking the dogs danglies now dude..

FishBowlMan · Post by **FishBowlMan** » Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:45 am

Brilliant, Nige! I'm really pleased you found the solution to the paint / foil issue.

Willem · Post by **Willem** » Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:52 am

Great stuff Nige. Back on track.

chief5437 · Post by **chief5437** » Sun Jul 20, 2014 12:19 pm

Good work Nige! Glad you found a solution, your perseverance has paid off. Looks great!

I bet you're relieved you can get on with the rest of it now, good luck buddy

gaz45 · Post by **gaz45** » Sun Jul 20, 2014 1:13 pm

Glad you resolved this mate just an expensive way of finding a solution

Nige201980 · Post by **Nige201980** » Sun Jul 20, 2014 4:19 pm

Thanks Guys at one point it was touch and go weather ill be able to get it sorted. But all the encouragement from you guys really helped.
Well as it stands it had two gloss coats and ill be tackling some of the detailed painting and then the decals so not much more to do hopefully.

alextheblue · Post by **alextheblue** » Sun Jul 20, 2014 7:25 pm

Phew!! So pleased that you managed to get it sorted Nige and she looks absolutely bee-ooh-tea-full!!

Absolutely stunning mate!

Jimble1974 · Post by **Jimble1974** » Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:54 pm

Mate,

That is spot on; good idea using the car spray. It's going to be a work of art when it's finished! Time to find your Spitfire.

Nige201980 · Post by **Nige201980** » Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:30 pm

Jimble1974 wrote:Mate,

That is spot on; good idea using the car spray. It's going to be a work of art when it's finished! Time to find your Spitfire.

Cheers Jim mate.

Nige201980 · Post by **Nige201980** » Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:45 pm

Right guys last update before I go on holiday.

And it out with the decals.

And there she is

I've only done the major ones tonight but you get the idea.
The went on like a dream well except for the nose band but I got it on near enough straight I was going to try and paint it but with the paint being delicate I decided to use the decal.

Well that's it for now I'll do all the smaller ones on my return
As always thanks for looking.

UKguyInUSA · Post by **UKguyInUSA** » Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:10 pm

On the final hurdle and you're going to bugger off on holiday?....How dare you make us wait for the finishing line Nige!!

Looking great with some contrasting colors on her now!

Enjoy your Holidays mate....going anywhere nice?

Bring us back a stick of rock if you're on the English coast somewhere!

Cheers,

Martin

Coen · Post by **Coen** » Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:16 pm

Holy crap! That's the stuff right there.
Nicely done Nige!

Nige201980 · Post by **Nige201980** » Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:58 pm

Right guys sorry it's been a couple of weeks but I'm back to this now.

Tonight's update I deal with the canopy. Reason I've left it to now is I didn't know how I was going to tackle it with foil or paint but I thought I got this far so I'll try it with foil and if it didn't work I can always paint it.

So to start I had to mask the canopy

Using on straight edge I line the masking tape up

Then with a cocktail stick it get burnished down.

And with a new blade

I cut along the edges

Once it all masked I dipped a cocktail stick in the metal glue

And spread the glue round where it's needed the tape will stop it going on to the glass where it's not needed

The foil then goes over this and again it burnished down

And again it's cut with a sharpe knife.

So when finished your left with a canopy with metal supports

And with the canopy put in place not glued I might add. I also finished the decaling tonight

Next will be a gloss coat or two then. Then I'll do some detail painting.

Again as always thanks for looking.

MarkVerploeg · Post by **MarkVerploeg** » Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:18 pm

Dang Nige
The Mustang looks amazing

Coen · Post by **Coen** » Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:33 am

AHHHHHHH!

That was SOOOOO Coool!!!!

HistoryRider · Post by **HistoryRider** » Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:44 am

Gadzooks Nige! Amazing work there mate!!!! I hope drool stains clean off of the bare metal finish there!

Can't wait to see it all done!

Nige201980 · Post by **Nige201980** » Tue Aug 12, 2014 12:39 pm

Cheers Guys really appreciate all the comments

rodrant · Post by **rodrant** » Tue Aug 12, 2014 8:21 pm

Great Thread Build ! And a nice looking bird , great work Nige !

Will look forward to see this bird complete , is going nicely

UKguyInUSA · Post by **UKguyInUSA** » Wed Aug 13, 2014 2:45 am

Great bit of work foiling those canopy frames, Nige! Getting close to the finishing line now!

FishBowlMan · Post by **FishBowlMan** » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:54 am

Lovely stuff, Nige. She looks the business!

Perfect timing for me as I'm about to mask the canopies for my build and picked up a couple of tips from your post.

Nige201980 · Post by **Nige201980** » Wed Aug 13, 2014 7:39 pm

Thanks guys

FishBowlMan wrote:Lovely stuff, Nige. She looks the business!
Perfect timing for me as I'm about to mask the canopies for my build and picked up a couple of tips from your post.

Not a prob mate glad I could help.

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Wed Aug 13, 2014 8:00 pm

WOW, what an amazing build and very inspiring
May I ask the foil material source and details
I found the cement source, but no details on a source for the foil and its thickness??!!
Thanks, Scott

Nige201980 · Post by **Nige201980** » Wed Aug 13, 2014 8:15 pm

Twokidsnosleep wrote:WOW, what an amazing build and very inspiring
May I ask the foil material source and details
I found the cement source, but no details on a source for the foil and its thickness??!!
Thanks, Scott

Hi Scott thanks for the comment. The foil is just normal kitchen foil from the supermarket the cheaper the better as it thinner. You can get special foil simply called bare metal foil which has glue already apply and you just cut and stick it BUT it can be expensive and if it goes wrong there is not much you can do where has my method you can peel it off and with water or IPA to clean it off and start again. Hope that helps mate.

Post by **Twokidsnosleep** » Wed Aug 13, 2014 8:43 pm

Great info, thanks for that.
I found a good PDF resource on doing this but it used the self adhesive version and I figured it would be easier to bugger up.
Again great build and techniques, I am so impressed with the skills demonstrated on ISM

I am partial to Mustangs, that was my car in my avatar in front of my driveway.

Nige201980 · Post by **Nige201980** » Fri Aug 15, 2014 8:26 pm

Hi guys back with an update sort of lol

Well I thought my build needed something extra so I thought I'd make a base for them starting with the mustang

I want to do a hard standing that would fit in with my WWII build and the more modern jets I'm doing at the mo.
So I opted to go with concrete slabs and these is how I started to get the effect I wanted (please bear in mind it's the 1st time I've tried this lol)

A bit of card some sandpaper different grades and some PVA glue.

I taped the edges with masking tape so it's double thickness

The sand paper was devided into 5cm squres

Then cut up and placed on the card to see what it may look like

The glued with PVA

To make it more realistic I tore one or two to make it look as if the slabs had cracks

And after some weight on the base to keep the sandpaper flat here is were I'm at.

Once it's dry I'll trim and prime it and start painting and weathering it. Hopefully it will look ok.

Again as always thanks for looking.

wappynutter · Post by **wappynutter** » Fri Aug 15, 2014 8:56 pm

Its gonna look more than okay Nige....

Well done with the sandpaper mate....
This is gonna make an excellent Universal hard standing display for the builds....
Your gonna put that outside wall out of a job! lol...

Continued success mate...