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Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:26 am
by Nige201980
Yet again brilliant work mate
Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:53 am
by alextheblue
Like that a lot and especially all of the battle damage - looks amazing!
I'm looking at my kitty now and thinking, "this looks a lot like the new kid on his first day at school at the start of the year with his uniform all squeaky clean and new!"
Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 7:59 pm
by Rodney
Looking really good mike.. I got along way to go before I can build tigers like you

guess I better look for something to use to put zimmerit on my tank
Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 3:09 pm
by Coen
In my Shadow Build video series I talk about tools for zimmerit Rodney, both home made and over the counter it that interests you.
Here is a link to the playlist for the series.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... bbQ2ZEPFzc
The last two days I did battle with an Italeri Bergepanther.
The kit itself is very simplistic and there aren't many issues to deal with such as fits or warped parts. Just a lot of flash and clean up of mould seams. Nothing serious or out of the ordinary.
The problems with the kit is the incredible crappy way that Italeri arranges the parts and then numbers them on the sprues. It's all over the map. Parts numbering 1,4, and 8 are right next to parts 114, 11, and 35. Trying to find things on the sprues is like looking for an honest tax lawyer.
The kit is apparently the most accurate one for a bergepanther on the market at the moment, which is unfortunate as it is in need of updating. The detail is soft, the tool locations are marked out on the hull with outlines that all have to be sanded off before you can build. Since there are no locating holes, finding the accurate location for many of the external features becomes troublesome.
I ended up replacing most of the external features with dragon or AFV Club equivalents. The detail was terrible on the the Italeri offerings.
The PE sheet that comes in the kit is suspiciously reminiscent of Eduard and was really nice. Which is also annoying... as I hate Eduard PE. haha.
Onward!!
So first, here are some of the figures that I'm thinking of using for the scene. They still need a lot of clean up, they're a set of TriStar figures that come in that terrible Zvezda Tiger I that I canablised for the turret interior. They're not that great. The hands are way overscale and the fits are a bit crap. The detail is ok though. They're usable, but they need some TLC.
Most likely I won't use the fellas in the hatches though. I want the interior visible. I may save them for another build.



I started with the lower hull assembly and the wheels. Very easy to build, though they have no ability to be poseble. That sucks immensely. It would be very difficult to add this to a dio without workable suspension. I have to think about how I will do that yet. I never glued any of these pieces in place as a result. There may be some hack and slash involved.


I used an old Modelkasten track set that I had for ages to replace the terrible tracks that came in the kit. They went together so well that they were almost workable.
As per most indie link track sets it takes about 45 mins to assemble both runs and install them on the tank to dry.
It tool me longer as I was watching Space 1999




Next was the very basic driver/radio operator compartment. I didn't glue this into the hull as I will probably come back to it and try to detail it up a bit.

The same for the winch area


The interior of the lower hull is pretty basic as well. If this is considered the best kit of the bergepanther out there then I'd hate to see the others. Blah.

This is the suspiciously Eduard-like PE

The wooden superstructure looks pretty cool though. The detail is nice and it looks pretty much like the reference photos.
There were a few really irritating to remove ejector pin marks on the inside to remove.




The top of the hull was really basic as well, and there were a few small errors that I'll have to deal with. The PE went on fine and looked good when sorted. I had to add periscopes for all of the vision positions as the kit included none.






Next I put all the pieces together to see about the fit. So far so good.










Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:33 pm
by Hillbilly
That Bergepanther is looking pretty damn good considering what you had to work with

It sucks that the suspension isn't workable,but as the old colloquialism goes "It aint' no step for a stepper"

Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 8:16 pm
by Nige99
Cracking build Mike, I love the battle damage you've done on this. You are the master at work and you provide us all with so much knowledge you pass on to us all.

Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 2:59 pm
by eightfooticeman
This is just outstanding work Mike!

Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:04 am
by hook1169
Is that just kitchen tin foil you're using for the blanket or flag on the Berg?
Looking quit good. You sure turn em' out quick. I am sure I will net be done till end of March and even that is pushing it. Plus I am only building 1 single kit. SHEESH
Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:32 am
by ForbesHutton
Italeri has a habit of using either badly molded rubber tracks or link and length, which I hated.
As for the figure's hands, gloves?
And for the Schwimmwagen, next time you open a box and find there aren't enough parts to be a challenge, put the box of parts on the ground and stomp on it a couple of times. Now you have a challenging kit.

Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:31 am
by chief5437
Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:56 am
by rwsmith14
NICE !! Camo looks great on the Tiger !!
Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:49 pm
by Rodney

somebody been busy.. its all looking pretty good... yip I was looking in for vids to see how you done the zimmerit but first I got to find somewhere to get milliput..
Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:55 pm
by Hillbilly
You really whipped that Bergepanther into shape nicely

The camo on the Tiger is awesome also.Did you use the Mig Ammo paint on it?If so I need to get some as that dark yellow looks great.Also how tough is that Stynlrez primer?I watched the vid where you were using the black and was just wondering.
Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 3:52 pm
by Coen
Hillbilly wrote:You really whipped that Bergepanther into shape nicely

The camo on the Tiger is awesome also.Did you use the Mig Ammo paint on it?If so I need to get some as that dark yellow looks great.Also how tough is that Stynlrez primer?I watched the vid where you were using the black and was just wondering.
It's AMMO yes. Two colours of the yellow and one of the green. That badger primer is the best primer that I've ever used. The black and the grey are superb.
Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 4:21 pm
by JayCub
Really enjoying the build Mike, I can watch Tiger builds all day and along with a few episodes of space 1999, I have quite a few eagles now
Tom
Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 4:57 pm
by Hillbilly
Coen wrote:
It's AMMO yes. Two colours of the yellow and one of the green. That badger primer is the best primer that I've ever used. The black and the grey are superb.
I think I will give them a go then when I run out of my Alclad primer (too bad I just ordered two more bottles

)
Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:39 pm
by Kevinzane
Sweet man!
Really nice rusteffects!

Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:38 pm
by Joesdad
Great stuff Mike, a couple of questions...
Why do you fix rope, tools and stuff on the hull and then paint? My aircraft brain says you should paint tools etc then fix to hull....you know after the camo...
Why are your sprockets fixed on?
Basic questions I'm sure, and more to follow...

Ta.
Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:56 pm
by Paul
Joesdad wrote:Great stuff Mike, a couple of questions...
Why do you fix rope, tools and stuff on the hull and then paint? My aircraft brain says you should paint tools etc then fix to hull....you know after the camo...
Why are your sprockets fixed on?
Basic questions I'm sure, and more to follow...

Ta.
I used to do the same, but following mikes advice it is easier to paint them when there on the tank
Looking great too mike

Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 12:12 am
by mannloon
So that's a very convincing tow cable, can I ask how you painted it? Is that just a great color or a series of things you did?
Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 1:42 am
by Tarasdad
Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 2:37 am
by Coen
mannloon wrote:So that's a very convincing tow cable, can I ask how you painted it? Is that just a great color or a series of things you did?
It was a series of colours for the two rope, ammo gloss black then ammo dark rust over that, finally a thinned ammo dark track colour. Later I'll very gently dry brush them with Vallejo gungrey or ammo gunmetal.
Joesdad wrote:Great stuff Mike, a couple of questions...
Why do you fix rope, tools and stuff on the hull and then paint? My aircraft brain says you should paint tools etc then fix to hull....you know after the camo...
Why are your sprockets fixed on?
Basic questions I'm sure, and more to follow...

Ta.
The first tank that I built I knew nothing about how things were done in regards to procedures, tricks, methods, so I just painted it all after glueing all the bits on (including tracks

). Then I picked out all the details after with a brush.
After reading what mush have been sixty or so how-to books written by the grand poobahs of dioramas and armour I discovered that there are dozens of ways to build and paint armour and aircraft, but almost all of them were doing it the same way that I was already doing... With all the bits on.
Out of curiosity I tried three builds with all the bits and pieces on a dozen sticks and it took three times as long to paint and looked exatly the same as my other builds. So it was a really easy decision. All that I leave separate now are the tracks and wheels.
And why are my sprockets fixed on?
They aren't exactly fixed. I made them workable so that I can easily add the tracks for weathering. I do that on every build because it makes my life easier.
One thing that I never do if I can avoid it, is go anywhere near my model with glue once paint is on it.
Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 3:42 am
by mannloon
Thanks Mike. I'm gonna try that as close as I can with Tamiya and Model Color paints.
Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 6:28 am
by Joesdad
Thank you gentlemen

good enough for me
Stand by......
Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 7:31 am
by Nige201980
This is really beautiful work Mike I think I'll have to have a look at that badger primer.
Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 10:50 am
by JediBoer

The Master at work! Great seeing the progress and learning!

Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:10 pm
by Coen
Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:51 pm
by Hillbilly
Outstanding paint work

Really love the chipping effects and the battle damage

Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 6:34 am
by Nige201980
Stunning work mate
Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 9:18 am
by Coen
Thanks Nige

Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 1:19 pm
by Hillbilly
Outstanding detail work

Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 1:34 pm
by m0rce
Superb work
Looks great
Regards
Sergio
Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:22 pm
by Kevinzane
It looks amazing man! :-D
Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 5:05 pm
by jbellos1
My oh my! You have made some great looking vehicles. Awwwwsum!
Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:21 pm
by CrazyMajor
Some very nice work there sir.
Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 12:15 am
by chief5437
Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:18 am
by Hillbilly
Man that Bergepanther sure has been around the block hasn't she......love it though

Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:39 am
by Paul
Awesome work mike, that panther is looking great, loving that winch dude

Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:52 am
by Yevgeny
So much of modelling goodness
Fantastic work as usual, you are talented man Coen.
Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 6:50 am
by PaulAyrey
Brilliant work as ever Mike, really enjoying this!
Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:42 am
by Nige99
Mike that Panther kit may have its pit falls you've done it justice mate, it looks the muts nuts dude. I can't stop zooming in to see the level of detail you've put on it.

Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:07 pm
by Kevinzane
A masterpiece!

Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 4:07 am
by ForbesHutton
An ass? Well if you can't find a goat...
The Bacon candy's not even opened...
I think we may be in a race for the most figures, time to start counting...
Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 4:18 am
by Coen
I know that's your schwimmwagen in there... Isn't that your ass too?
Was it you that sent me a pair of fallschimjager with a pair of donkeys?
Re: Hero of the Soviet Union Tiger 212 1943
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 4:19 am
by Coen
There were two tins of bacon candy.....
I'm saving this one for a special occasion.
